Why we should be glad that Britain never joined the euro
Filed under: Financial Crisis
If the UK had joined the euro, unemployment today could be 15% and the recession of the last 1 1/2 years would have been much worse. Whatever his other failings, Gordon Brown deserves credit for keeping us out, says the Centre for Economics and Business Research.
Given the widespread debt problems in southern Europe - the controversially named PIGS economies - Portugal, Italy, Greece and Spain - the eurozone could break up before 2015, the think tank believes.
The euro has been hammered in recent weeks as the Greek debt crisis deepened. It fell to a nine-month low against the dollar on Friday and against the pound, it traded at around £1.15.
While the UK barely grew in the final three months of last year, the eurozone's economic recovery also nearly ground to a halt. Germany, the continent's industrial powerhouse, saw its economy unexpectedly slump back and failed to grow at all between October and December. Of the other large economies, Italy went into reverse and Spain remained mired in recession. The figures sparked concern that Europe could slip back into recession as government stimulus measures such as car scrappage schemes peter out.
The CEBR has done a simulation for what might have happened if Tony Blair had succeeded in taking the UK into the euro in early 1998. It calculates that growth in Britain would have been very slightly higher between 1998 and 2006, but with inflation 0.6% higher, post 2006 the slump would have been much worse. This means that GDP might have fallen by 7% last year instead of 5% and unemployment now would be around 15%.
For those European countries that have a propensity to borrow, a single interest rate, kept low by frugal Germany, was a step too far and they overborrowed, the think tank argues. Ireland and Spain are the most spectacular examples, but Portugal and Greece also had interest rates that were far too low for their economic circumstances and they went on borrowing sprees.
Greece has piled up so much debt that it now needs to be bailed out by its European friends. EU leaders have said in principle that they stand ready to ride to the rescue, although in practice there is no clarity on what form any aid would take. Germany has already ruled out any blank cheques and in any case Greece hasn't asked for a cash handout. The worry is that other countries like Portugal and Spain may also need help.
It is not inconceivable that the eurozone could break up in coming years. The Latin Monetary Union between Switzerland, France, Italy and Belgium in the mid-19th century essentially failed within 30 years. But things move much faster in the modern world and we could see a breakup before 2015, the CEBR says.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
2-15-2010 @ 6:15AM
D Gilpin said...
The worst thing this country ever done was to join that bloody lot out in Europe , the bloody French never liked us and still does,nt and as for the bloody Gemans I wouldn,t trust them further than I could see them yet we joined them , This lot running the country are in their for their own gains only , the lowest of the low as far as I can see ,its not a Great Britian anymore by any means ,there are thrid rate countries now better than us ,were a bloody disgrace with no morale standard or anything .
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2-16-2010 @ 5:46AM
David said...
Totally agree with the comments,the worst thing we ever did was join the common market. The German public didn't have a say they were told they were getting the Euro end off! We should keep the British Pound,lose your currency and you lose your say and place in the World Markets.The American's and the Canadians would never give up their Dollars,conversley we should never give up our British Pound! The Germans aint telling me what to do and I dont like BEACH TOWELS all that much anyway!!! David
2-15-2010 @ 6:46AM
Stephen said...
Totally agree ... for example , Switzerland is not only in the heart of Europe literally but it voted on a referendum by 83% to stay out of Europe .. and they are doing very very well as always .
For sure we should trade with Europe which is what it was all about in the begining .
But now with no border controls ... Greece where nobody hardly pays any taxes at all ... it's all
going to end in tears . To bail these rogue states out is ridiculous . This once great nation was always at it's best when independent . As for all those Euro M.P.'s on 400,000 Euros a year no wonder the politicians want to keep it !!!!!!
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2-15-2010 @ 7:20AM
Paul said...
totall agree.when edward heath took us into europe it was called the common market and was purely a trading agreement. How we ever got into this state with a european parliment and the majority of our laws being decided by european MPs , god only knows. This country should get out of europe while it still can and start looking after and putting the British people first for a change.
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2-15-2010 @ 11:58AM
Margo said...
Tell you how we got to this stage of the game because the GERMANS had it all organised as their game plan since they lost the war. Cannot win the wars so they control Europe and us through a back door approach like SNAKES CRAWLING ROUND ON THEIR BELLIES
2-15-2010 @ 7:17AM
a, jarvis said...
It always amuses me when I see a sign that says, 'built with funding from the 'EU'. As net contributors we are getting some of our money back, after a good rake-off from that lot that shuttles between Brussels ansd Strasbourg. (To keep the French Happy!)
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2-15-2010 @ 7:16AM
David said...
Not one of the countries that had the euro foisted on them had a referendum allowing a public decision on ewhether they wanted it.
These slimy euro councillors just decided to do it without any clear concensus of the population.
This or any future government will never give the electorate the chance to decide whether to join the euro or to even consider leaving the european superstate in waiting.
We voted to join an economic cooperative with a false name , the common market, it was never mentioned that it was to join a federation of states.
The swiss have a great system where a referendum is held every so often when the general public decide on a course of action via a quick ballot.
Bearing this in mind do we all think that the majority of the voting public, including the drunken idiots that we are used to seeing on the news programs. are capable of rational thought let alone an informed decision.
Maybe there could be a computer game for all kiddults to play at how to make a decent society or run a fair economy.
It would have to have guns, drugs , terrorists, pimps , bank robberies etc to keep the interest but this could all have an underlying theme of how to improve the life of the majority.
God help us all after the next election , either way it will be hard. Sell what you can do without now, buy it back in a couple of years time after the recession really takes hold, it will be half price then.
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2-15-2010 @ 10:01AM
gayle said...
Microsoft should get on it right now and supply it to them free!!!
2-15-2010 @ 10:36AM
john said...
We never voted to join the EEC (now the EU). We were taken in by the Tories under the leadership of Ted Heath. We remain in following a manipulated referendum by the Wilson government.
Best place to be? On the outside looking in,as was always the basic policy of British governments of the past who never wanted the UK to become embroiled in mainland affairs. Britain's interests always came first and that is how it should remain. Friends? Yes. Bedfellows? never.
3-05-2010 @ 1:56PM
wes said...
The EU. is another form of communism all ruled
from a central hub ;outwith our control.
Each country has it;s own culture and needs;
this idea that one shoe fits all ;can never work.
the latest countries allowed in should not have;
you dont bring a bankrupt partner into your firm.
They have their problems now .Greece;whose next.
Many countries joined the e/zone for all the perk's.
now it;s pay back time; they want out.
The more it expands the worse it will become'
Its like a rollercoaster out of control.
People say it creates a lot of jobs ;
not in Scotland .
wes/
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2-15-2010 @ 10:38AM
john said...
Whilst I do not agree thar thr EU is communist, I do believe that it is structured in the same way as the old Soviet Union i.e. all decisions taken at the centre with no room for individual members to act on their own interests where it is obvious the the "one fits all" policies can act against the legitimate interests of individual members.
The Eu is an artificial construct which fails to realise the wide cultural and economic bases of its members. I hope I am around when this monster collapses.
2-15-2010 @ 7:40AM
colin said...
Each Country should have retained their own Currency, It costs many Millions to effect this change,and the only people who benefit is the GREEDY B.....ds who line their pockets in the beginning, and then leave the people to pick up the pieces when it all goes wrong. Like we had to do with our money grabbing Bankers.
It's the same about us going into Europe. It's still costing us Billions, and have handed control over to them, ON ALL OUR DECISIONS . IF THEY SAY JUMP, WE HAVE TO JUMP.
We pay them all this money for them to tell us stupid things like we can't sell bent cucumbers
I bet Greece,(at the moment) wishes they retained their oldest currency in the world...THE DRACHMA. I wish we had retained our currency, I couldn't give a damn about everything becomes easier cos it's divisable by ten.
Great Britain is Great no more, we are just puppets.
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2-15-2010 @ 9:26AM
Alan Mead said...
Isn't this the classic "chicken and egg" situation. Had the EU evolved into a political union along federal lines, then the ability to rein in errant nations spending would have been relatively easy. Without these controls the Euro is if not doomed; severely weakened.
The will is not there to move further towards political union, and as a result the Euro will be always potentially volatile.
I personally will say let us make this leap of faith, rather than gloat from the sidelines. Our future, I beleive, ultimately lies with Europe.
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2-15-2010 @ 10:26AM
john said...
The Eu will never be a success, with or without leaps of faith. The whole structure is based on centralism in some vain hope to be a rival to the USA. The objective seems to be to replace the Pound with the (useless) Euro as the international reserve currency. I believe that the hammering of the Pound has been engineered by the ECB in the hope of marginalising the Pound and forcing us into a subservient, controlled position within the Eurozone. The irony is that, as net contributors to the EU some of that surplus may well be helping to fund the Euro's dominant position viz a viz the Pound.
I live part of the year in Spain (which voted to join the Euro) and many of my Spanish friends are suffering during the present difficult times. Almost to a man (no sexism intended) they wish for the return of the Peseta because they believe that it will give them much more leeway in the directing of economic policies more relevant to Spain. Their biggest single complaint is the loss of effective sovereignty and liberty to be Spanish as opposed to being "Europeans". Now there's an artificial construct.
Personally, I have nothing but contempt for the whole rotten, corrupt structure of the EU.I do not believe that Britain derives any benefit from membership. The plain fact is that all the EU wants from us is our acceptance of a subordinate role in Europe where they can control us. History teaches us that this has always been the case. we should never have become a member. Don't forget, that we were taken in without any reference to our desires by Ted Heath and remain in as the result of a manipulated referendum by the Wilson government.
The EU is certainly one club that I would be very happy to leave.
2-15-2010 @ 7:53AM
PhilD said...
I reckon we should have devolution in europe whereby we all manage our own countries and have our own currencies. SO GIVE US OUR BRITISH PASSPORTS BACK AND GET US THE HELL OUT OF EUROPE! before europe drags us down with them.
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2-15-2010 @ 7:59AM
trev said...
It all seems a very expensive business to me paying into the Kitty forty odd million pounds per day, and for that we seem to have little say as to what goes on. No publicly elected leaders.
MEP's dont seem to have much clout.
The whole community leaders seem corrupt, with no public accounting of money.
Silly rules and regulations.
We are even now denied a public vote as to whether we wish to be in or out. We have all been sold down the river in a leaky canoe without a paddle.
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2-15-2010 @ 8:29AM
kinpurnie said...
the euro zone has got too big for its own good letting any country join just for the hell of it whenther they can pay or not gemany has almost bankrupted it self joinin with east germany and now turkey and other non european countires want to join.
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2-15-2010 @ 9:07AM
john said...
How the hell could a whole nation be duped so easily and so completely,
as previous posters have rightly said the con trick they pulled on us ( me included sadly) was making out we were ONLY joining an agreement to lower artificial trading barriers no more no less...we promise.
the subject of sovereinty isnt and never will be an issue!.
roll on thirty years and we all know the real truth, if as one poster said our future lies ultimately in europe why did they have to be so duplicitous to get us into it ? and thats BEFORE we even consider that the REAL power holders in europe are a faceless UNELECTED (for life) politbureau with their own agenda and if the damn british dont like it...TOUGH
but we have euro elections i hear you cry. really ! do we???
do you mean the euro talking shop that has in reality NO power to affect anything in the eec in any way shape or form apart from how much in wages they can cream off the contributions made by each member state.
since our "joining" Britain has recieved back less than ten percent of all the monies it pays to europe and even THAT has to be used for whatever the eu dictates ( as long as we erect a large blue sign thanking them for their "generosity" as well !)
let me ask you this, if you were an investor and were asked to invest in a company that was running at a loss and repeatedly couldnt balance its books with a board of directors who couldnt even agree on what biscuits to have with the tea but went to great lengths to hide the fact....would you ???
yet thats the leap of faith we are required to make with europe
im sorry but in my mind only collaborations between peoples of like minds and goals will ever work i defy you to name two member states (apart from its "masters" germany and france oddly enough) that sing from the same hymn sheet or have any common ground at all
the same germany and france that have tried repeatedly for the last several hundred years to take these islands by force have now concocted a plan to have us GIVE it them,
how true it is im not sure but i read something a while back that said the REAL architects of the euro dream was non other than a set of documents written in 1943 by goebbles and goring on contingency plans for the continuance of the reich in a subversive way if germany lost the war as it was begining to look that way even then, and was almost word for word the european "charter"
right up until his eventual demise goering remained cocky and aloof no doubt thinking that as he was to be the worlds next master his friends would come to his aid
forgive me if im wrong but arent democratic politicians supposed to be elected on the understanding that they voice the wishes of the people who elected them and not the other way round ?
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2-15-2010 @ 10:12AM
Damienm said...
No to Euro ... Keep the Pound!
Out of Europe .... 'common market' trade with the Commonwealth!
Thats what we should have done all along!
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2-15-2010 @ 11:25AM
WAB said...
Quite right Damienm!
I have often said this too! Probably too late now!